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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Marky Dissod" data-source="post: 27188" data-attributes="member: 13218">There's a time and a place for everything. If you don't like to slide at all, you're too old.Pick the right time and place, scare your grandkids; give them stories to tell about how their grandparents knew how to do fun awesome stuff with older vehiclesthat the new vehicles won't allow without issuing a moving violation from the gov't when OBD3 finally rolls out.Anyone who can still do figure-8 slides safely, WITH riders, while collecting a pension has been and is still aging quite gracefully.One of my last hopes left ...</blockquote>