Keep driving your GMT800s?

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I like to keep my trucks clean and take care of them because they take care of me.
Clean! Have you ever noticed that dirty interior trucks break down all the time? I cant stand a filthy truck, mine are always dirtier than I would like just due to time but now I have a steamer and carpet cleaner to make it faster to clean.
 

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Clean! Have you ever noticed that dirty interior trucks break down all the time? I cant stand a filthy truck, mine are always dirtier than I would like just due to time but now I have a steamer and carpet cleaner to make it faster to clean.
If they let it get filthy inside, where they themselves sit and drive, then almost 100% of the time, maintenance and repairs are an afterthought.

I preach the words my dad taught me, "Maintenance pays and breakdowns cost"!
 

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Interesting reads:


Also look into the TriColor used auto sales bankruptcy: https://news.dealershipguy.com/p/tr...f-a-subprime-auto-lender-explained-2025-09-16

And a big conglomerate of auto parts also filed for bankruptcy recently: https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/...-bankruptcy-with-over-10-billion-in-debt.html

That's crazy. That company owns Raybestos, Fram, Autolite, Cardone, Trico and others...this is the one that's probably most worrisome to me TBH.
 

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Interesting reads:


Also look into the TriColor used auto sales bankruptcy: https://news.dealershipguy.com/p/tr...f-a-subprime-auto-lender-explained-2025-09-16

And a big conglomerate of auto parts also filed for bankruptcy recently: https://www.masslive.com/news/2025/...-bankruptcy-with-over-10-billion-in-debt.html

That's crazy. That company owns Raybestos, Fram, Autolite, Cardone, Trico and others...this is the one that's probably most worrisome to me TBH.
Between vehicle owners making piss poor buying decisions, fraud in companies and another company going Billions, with a B, in debt.......taking care of the paid off vehicle makes more sense. That is why the auto shops are so backed up. I wish I was 40 years younger and working in shops. I could easily make $150k to $200k a year. Plus, there are a lot of parts changer shade tree mechanics out there....instead of techs.
 

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I got a new lower seat cover from The Seat Shop, out of Texas. Waiting for my retired upholstery guy to get back from wherever he went and he will fix me up. All the rest is good. The seat cover is not that bad but there is a longer, 8", tear on a seam and starting to flake a bit. Seat Shop gave me a military discount.
 

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I got a new lower seat cover from The Seat Shop, out of Texas. Waiting for my retired upholstery guy to get back from wherever he went and he will fix me up. All the rest is good. The seat cover is not that bad but there is a longer, 8", tear on a seam and starting to flake a bit. Seat Shop gave me a military discount.
That will be sweet having a new seat cover.
 

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Very interesting, could you expand on this topic please. I love GMT800 history.
I think the late 80s and early 90s was pretty terrible times for GM: their products basically sucked big time. They were essentially atrocious. Japan manufacturing was killing the domestic automobile sales with their superior manufacturing with tighter tolerances (surprisingly, using philosophy they'd learned from some Americans' philosophies).

As far as I know GM spent a huge amount of time, money, engineering and R&D into the GMT800. They wanted it to be better than the previous generation of full sized trucks, which was basically 1970/1980s pig technology with lipstick. Then they dropped the LS-based engines into them, which they had been developing in the early 90s for the Corvette (the effect was that the legendary "LS" engine was MASS produced). Combined with the HD truck segment variants with the Duramax/Allison combination and increased technology (Quadrasteer is in this list) of the later GMT800, they basically hit a home run.

GM executives probably saw that they had made something that was too good (and probably to expensive to manufacturer), then started "value engineering" stuff, ultimately winding up with a product that was more profitable for them, but not more durable for the consumer...


That's my opinion for what it's worth.
 
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GMT800 was a double edged sword for GM, so I understand why they started cutting costs aggressively post bailout.
The GMT800 was great for consumers, but not great for their financial stability.
Being cheap@$$ isn't very good for their financial stability either.
Pinching pennies too hard has lots to do with why the L87 is another QC blemish on GM's reputation.
 

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Being cheap@$$ isn't very good for their financial stability either.
Pinching pennies too hard has lots to do with why the L87 is another QC blemish on GM's reputation.
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20004.8Continued robust performance and market share.
20013.7Initial signs of market trouble begin to show.
20021.6Decline due to economic slump and competition.
20030.6Significant challenges in US automotive market.
20042.8Slight recovery with adjustments in strategy.
20050.9Ongoing restructuring efforts begin.
20060.1Profits wane as costs rise and sales decline.
20070.8Minor improvement under new leadership.
2008-30.9Major losses leading to crisis; economic downturn.
2009-30.9Filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection.
20104.7Emerged from bankruptcy, restructuring begins to take effect.
20116.2Strong recovery post-bankruptcy; new product lines.
20124.9Continued profitability as market stabilizes.
20135.3Growth driven by new models and efficiency gains.
20142.8Market fluctuations affect sales slightly.
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20169.4Continued strength in North American market.
20176.6Profits decrease as competition intensifies.
20188.0Recovery with focus on electric vehicles.
20196.7Competitive challenges arise again.
2020-0.2COVID-19 pandemic significantly impacts sales.
202110.0Strong recovery post-lockdowns; demand surges.
20229.9Continued resilience in recovering market.
20236.5Profits affected by economic conditions and supply chain issues.
20246.0Solid performance amid ongoing adjustments.
 

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I came across this interesting article: https://www.npr.org/2025/10/29/nx-s1-5556935/cost-of-living-cars

This graph is just shocking!
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Surely there's got to be an increase on auto maintenance due to inflation, but to me it looks like the costs of repairs alone are getting out of control, especially because we know that manufacturers are pushing those oil change intervals to 10,000 miles+ and sealed transmissions with "lifetime" fluids. If anything, that graph should be trending downward, assuming reliability is held constant. And sadly, those graphs don't show any signs of reaching a plateau. What am I missing here?
 

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The cost increase for "auto repair and maintenance" is likely because of increase of labor rates across the entire USA. Shortage of qualified techs and shops being backed up for weeks, will cause the labor rates to climb. Costs to get the parts needed and the delays attached to that, also cause prices to go up.

I have said many times that I wish I know what I know now and was 40 years younger and I would be easily making high 6 figures a year.
 

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My funny maintenance story, other day my truck threw a code, a 404, lit the mil, kind of figured it might be the egr cause the idle was off, I drove home and put it on the scanner, got the code. Popped the hood and inspected the wiring, kind of old, but not much I can do about that. Next time driving, I took it out, drove it good, light went out. Good old truck. The valve was 71% open when I checked it, and it said the value should be 48-51%, maybe it had some soot in it.
 

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